Space and Place

Joan Lippincott: Welcome to the CNI digital scholarship planning webinar series. And if you’ve participated in previous sessions. Welcome back. Joan Lippincott: I know many of you are working from home, and some of you are back on campus. I hope you’re all doing well during this difficult time of the pandemic. I’m Joan Lippincott associate executive director Emeritus of CNI and I’m moderating the nine sessions of the series. Joan Lippincott: If you’ve missed some webinars or would like to rewatch or share the presentations.

We have recordings available for the first seven sessions as well as a set of questions to guide planning discussions on your campus. Joan Lippincott: We have two speakers for this session. And we’ll take questions after each please type your questions in the chat box at any time. In addition, after the formal one hour session is over. We’ll open the mics in case some of you wish to verbally ask questions of the speakers. Joan Lippincott: The chat box is also available to communicate with each other or with me or our technical lead Beth Seacrest during the presentations all participants will be muted. Joan Lippincott: For this eighth session. Our presenters will discuss spaces and places that are used for digital scholarship programs and activities. Joan Lippincott: While we’ve heard about the restrictions of use of space during previous sessions due to the pandemic. I believe it’s important to think about space planning now in preparation for healthier times Joan Lippincott: I’m pleased to welcome our presenters today. Greg roski Senior Vice Provost and Director of libraries at North Carolina State University.

02:34 - Joan Lippincott: And Brian Sinclair Associate Dean public services at the Georgia State University Library their bios are on the webinar site, and I won’t take any more time with introductions in order to give our speakers more time. So, over to you, Greg. Greg Raschke: Thanks. JOHN I really appreciate the invitation and the opportunity to join everyone I appreciate everybody’s time I’m Greg Raschke: Realizing more and more with as much time as I spend on zoom that that an hour folks time on Zoom is a valuable asset. So it’s my pleasure to be here and thanks to Brian for for joining me in this effort. Greg Raschke: So as john mentioned right where our focus is to talk about space in place, which is kind of an interesting Greg Raschke: Timing in terms of doing that I’m currently in our art DHL library, one of our two main libraries and we’re at about 10% capacity. We’re open, but we’re at about 10% capacity. Greg Raschke: And we have almost no researchers in the building that 10% is almost totally students.

So almost all of our digital scholarship activities. Greg Raschke: Have moved into digital realms, but like Joe and I am supremely confident that that the past and the future tells us that investments in these kinds of spaces are going to be important. They’re going to pay off. They are transformational Greg Raschke: And we can use this time to plan and set ourselves up well for for as john put it healthier times. So the story I want to tell you a little bit about today is Greg Raschke: How we aim for, and how we try to embody a quote from a recent quote from a professor here at NC State Dr. Paul five. He’s a professor of English. He recently said about the libraries. Greg Raschke: The NC State University Libraries that we’ve been more than a service provider even more than a collaborator and partner.

04:22 - Greg Raschke: We have expanded his idea of the possible. So I want to tell you that brief story of how we the spaces, the services, the programs, the expertise that we’ve kind of packaged together around our spaces in our transformations Greg Raschke: Have helped us go from a service provider to an expanded of the possible as Paul put it, and I promise I didn’t pay him to say that Greg Raschke: Okay. Greg Raschke: So the broader context for us that’s we have two main libraries, we have. That’s the James to be hundred your library, which opened in 2013 Greg Raschke: And we have renovated our other main library, which I’m sitting in our Hill library we renovated it in 2007 Greg Raschke: Then we in those spaces were largely focused on student oriented Learning Commons study rooms, those kinds of things. Greg Raschke: We built the JB hunt junior library, which has a myriad of digital scholarship oriented spaces, in a sense, the whole building is it is a digital scholarship interdisciplinary kind of crossroads.

That’s the way we envisioned it 05:26 - Greg Raschke: With multiple spaces and I’ll show some examples from that building. And we’ve also just opened this fall, a new space. Greg Raschke: A new renovation. A second renovation of our Old Main Library. The Hill library, which I’m in Greg Raschke: So part of the theme that I want to mention is, as you start renovating spaces and you start Greg Raschke: Demonstrating and showing value. I think the investment in those spaces continues and the campus kind of rather than a one shot and you’re done. Greg Raschke: What happens is there’s a momentum and an ecosystem and a culture that develops around these spaces that keeps pushing them forward and the transformation of those spaces and the associated technologies provide significant opportunities to kind of fundamentally change. Greg Raschke: And engage the relationship between researcher faculty members student and library.

It gives us opportunities to foster creative models of research, teaching and learning. Greg Raschke: And the combination of high technology spaces good design flexible learning environments and librarian expertise staff expertise. Greg Raschke: has fostered in experiential environment here and elsewhere that faculty and students can leverage to to enhance the, the research enterprise their digital scholarship activities, their educational experience. Greg Raschke: At their universities and fundamentally what happening, I think, is the relationship between library space in the user Greg Raschke: Is changed and the spaces are the most tangible and symbolic and forward example of that evolving relationship but Greg Raschke: If done right. The theme. I’m gonna hit on is that they’re only the beginning.

There’s a lot more to it, new spaces provide the opportunity for that fundamental change in relationship. Greg Raschke: And engaging digital scholarship and experiential learning, but it’s actually the things that that follow on those spaces that build on those spaces that I think had the biggest payoff. Greg Raschke: So there’s several opportunities right in association with with new spaces transform spaces. Greg Raschke: As I mentioned reconnecting faculty and students with the physical library and different forums and a chain of engagement and creativity that I think is unparalleled in the, in the time of libraries. Greg Raschke: We can incubate emerging technologies that aren’t easy to find.

We can provide things that, that, that can’t be provided in other venues on campus. Greg Raschke: Enhanced hands on learning and engagement creative pedagogy. We can be a showcase for students and faculty work, which I think is really interesting and sort of underutilized idea. Greg Raschke: And become a platform for programs and workshops for bringing community members together for bringing people together multidisciplinary interdisciplinary Greg Raschke: And it can be an important signal of the libraries emergent role and roles in the research enterprise, especially if the spaces. Again, as I mentioned that that are provided are unique or rare on campus and provide value for researchers in ways they can’t get anywhere else.

08:11 - Greg Raschke: And I think the most significant opportunity is the creation of an experiential library for experiential learning and research. Greg Raschke: As the core delivery mechanisms of collections and even basic research services and curriculum and foundational learning move online. Greg Raschke: Become a synchronous, those kinds of things that library space becomes a platform for that deeper learning that deeper research experience. Greg Raschke: And then it also allows the library to become a partner in delivering research infrastructure again in a way that I don’t think we’ve had the opportunity to do before and working across the lifecycle of digital scholarship and research in a much broader deeper Greg Raschke: And profound way. Greg Raschke: I’ll run through some examples relatively quickly, trying to make sure we save our time for some discussion, but this will give you an example of some of the spaces that we’ve been able to provide the types of projects that we’ve been able to do Greg Raschke: One.

And I know Brian’s going to talk about this as immersive pedagogy and research using large scale video walls that James behind junior library, which I showed has several 09:18 - Greg Raschke: Large scale wall immersive environments, the intro slide I had has a 360 kind of immersive projection environment. Greg Raschke: And it’s opened up several opportunities for our faculty. The folks pictured here are an English professor a computer scientist and an architecture professor who got together to do a virtual Martin Luther King project to recreate Greg Raschke: A speech that he gave in Durham, a famous speech cup fill up the jails, which was lost to history. The only record of it was written record and then the eyewitness testimony. Greg Raschke: But they were able to recreate that environment on our video was using immersive kind of techniques and approaches and actually got the largest NIH grant in NC state’s history now NC State is primarily Greg Raschke: We’re, we’re a comprehensive university but our, our excellence is primarily in engineering agriculture textiles areas like that.

10:13 - Greg Raschke: But since the Hunt Library has been built NC State, for I think four years in a row now has received the largest NIH grant Greg Raschke: In the state of North Carolina as a predominantly non humanities institution because we’ve been able to collaborate. It’s because we have wonderful faculty that we hired, but also Greg Raschke: Because they’ve been able to use the end. The library has been written into every single one of those grants and it’s because we can offer Greg Raschke: A unique mix of spaces and expertise in partnership with those faculty to create unique projects which are going to draw attention. Draw funding those kinds of things. Greg Raschke: And that is inevitably lead us to immersive pedagogy and research through virtual reality augmented reality. This is another one of those NIH grants. I mentioned this is Derek cam is wearing a headset.

He’s a professor of design who specializes in virtual reality. Greg Raschke: Who recreated the Memphis protests were Martin Luther King was tragically shot at the end of those Greg Raschke: And he runs students through a whole experience in that he’s done a lot of research in those environments. Greg Raschke: And the obvious advantage of moving from walls to VR and AR is that we can move from a single space and time right on a video wall to a to a virtual reality environment that almost anybody any researcher can can engage in Greg Raschke: Um, we’ve got lots of hands on making examples, lots of creative projects through 3D printing. Greg Raschke: Through electronics wearable electronics, you see a book that was turned in and electronic object. Their augmented reality. Greg Raschke: Our hands on making environments have been used in research. Prototyping, rapid research prototyping. This is, this is not anything new.

It was new in 2013 when we built the library, but you see maker spaces. Greg Raschke: You know, in libraries across the country, but they continue to to pay significant benefits for for digital scholarship Greg Raschke: Environments in the blending of virtual reality augmented reality and hands on making in really interesting ways I think has really helped some of our researchers Excel. Greg Raschke: Interdisciplinary making and senior design right digital scholarship is not just a research activity if done right. It can be a Greg Raschke: Very prominent student activity young woman there is is a is a digital textiles maker. So she makes electronic pulsating kind of dresses that that dresses up called a pulse stress that that Greg Raschke: That runs based on your bio rhythms of your body and your heart rate and all that kind of stuff, which is either frightening or fascinating depending on how you, how you take it. Greg Raschke: I mentioned Rapid. Rapid prototyping. You see this. There’s a peanut butter jar.

It’s a plastic peanut butter jar with a twist that the senior design team worked on. Greg Raschke: And their, their licensing that for for corporate use now basically twist the peanut butter up so you don’t get your hands in it. But the point is that it’s bringing Greg Raschke: disciplines together business majors with computer scientists with humanists with communications majors right to do really interesting Greg Raschke: Sort of hands on digital scholarship. We’re doing a lot with interactive media. We’ve got several dissertations and master’s thesis that are interactive media based Greg Raschke: And these are all the kinds of spaces that we have in the library. And now in our Hill library. So everything from immersive visualization large video walls.

13:22 - Greg Raschke: Making virtual reality interactive digital media all of this becomes the the suite of offerings that we can provide an additional scholarship environment. Greg Raschke: And then really, crucially, and, and more recently data spaces for Data Science. The library has become the Greg Raschke: Physical, tangible sort of hub for Data Science activities on NC state’s campus, which is a huge opportunity. So that means we’re being written into grants. Greg Raschke: We’re, we’re piloting a research concierge service with our Office of Research in our Office of Information Technology Greg Raschke: We have expert data science consultants around the data space and you don’t need the data space in order to do that, but I would say that the the creation of a data space a hub on campus where these things could be brought together. Greg Raschke: has launched us has placed us at the center of these conversations on campus and has helped us launch all of these follow on services that go with that space.

14:18 - Greg Raschke: And again, the research concierge service, the data consulting, all those things aren’t dependent on the space. Greg Raschke: But they’re really enhanced by the space and the space is what brought the people in and helped kind of change their perception of what the library could be and it convinced the administration that the library can be the centerpiece of data science on NC state’s campus. Greg Raschke: Some of the challenges in building out all these spaces, our initial lack of awareness about or Greg Raschke: Really awareness isn’t so much as command about how to how to make the sausage right some faculty are really comfortable Greg Raschke: Diving in some researchers some senior design students, those kind of a lot of them are not so building that awareness that capacity that comfort in working with these spaces was important. Greg Raschke: The demand that grows, trying to keep up with that demand and related the expertise, the staffing expertise in the evolution of your spaces and your staff expertise has to happen. Greg Raschke: Sort of in conjunction with each other.

Ideally, the actually the staffing expertise has to be ahead of your spaces so that you can build out the spaces and service them effectively but staffing expertise is an often underrated. Greg Raschke: Element of space design and build but really crucial to helping leverage those spaces to their full advantage. And then the other Greg Raschke: Challenge that we’ve had on campus is that we’ve built expectations up for the rest of campus and how to kind of provide and deal with that capacity and expectation and growth is something that’s been a real challenge at NC State. Greg Raschke: But in order to, as I’ve mentioned in order to leverage these opportunities. Greg Raschke: You have to have the kind of the environment and the spaces in the technology, but you also got to have the expertise.

You’ve got to have the programming the events, the workshops that help bring people together and I’ll, I’ll sort of 16:07 - Greg Raschke: Expand on that one of the crucial elements that every library is doing now is our workshop for for almost every library is the workshop portfolios have expanded significantly Greg Raschke: We’re teaching skills right to help researchers be more successful be more productive be more well known. We’re doing everything from Greg Raschke: Basic vis tools to elements of design to tablo to our programming to open refined to GIS. This is just a sampling of workshops that we offer at NC State our workshop portfolio has grown by 1,000% Greg Raschke: Since we opened the library, you know. That’s no accident. Right, the workshops help give people the skills to be able to work with the spaces and use the technologies and tools. Greg Raschke: But again, also the spaces help bring the people in so that then they can take the workshops.

And, of course, you need the people to be able to teach these workshops and that portfolio growth has been 16:58 - Greg Raschke: Expansive and significant he has not always been smooth and clean, but it’s something that we’ve that we’ve welcomed the relevance, the engagement that connectivity with researchers in providing these things that they can’t get elsewhere has been really crucial. Greg Raschke: Programming once a month, we have a coffee in this series where a faculty member, a researcher graduate student talks about their visualization work that they’re doing. Greg Raschke: It brings about 40 to 50 people from all kinds of disciplines. Again, this is on pause and actually has now moved to online. We’re doing our first one here, this I think this Friday or last Friday. Greg Raschke: Over zoom the coffee’s bring bring your own coffee. Now at this point, but we used to provide bagels coffee but 40 people in a room in an immersive visualization room and talk about visualization and what the possibilities are and it started with Greg Raschke: St Paul’s Cathedral, which was burned down in London and the recreation of that. Greg Raschke: But then the people involved in that got connected with coastal researchers on campus who now they’re doing visual there. They’ve got a lot of NSF money to Greg Raschke: help visualize the erosion of coasts and the effects of climate change on physical landscaping in North Carolina and beyond all those kind of things. Greg Raschke: And there’s several sort of follow on examples of that in terms of bringing people together around a space surprise going to talk about some of that as well.

18:20 - Greg Raschke: Undergraduate Research slams are now hosted in the libraries exclusively in our digital scholarship spaces, which is really wonderful. Greg Raschke: brings a lot of faculty together brings undergraduate researchers together in normal times, it brings their parents and their families and to see what they’re doing, which is really great for the university. Greg Raschke: And then we have large scale programs like the experience the Martin virtual Martin Luther King project that I mentioned, over the course of a weekend we had several programs, including the virtual reality. The immersive. Greg Raschke: Visualization lab that you see here over the course of a weekend and brought in over 1000 people from the NC State community from the community beyond Greg Raschke: If you think about the relevance of like what the research enterprise brings to a community bringing people in Greg Raschke: The publicity for the university. That was pretty incredible and and we plan to host more at these kind of large we’ve had several these large scale events and they and they typically draw hundreds to to over 1000 people, which is really wonderful.

19:18 - Greg Raschke: And now I’m going to try to show you a video from a happening that we had here, I’m just going to, it’s like a 15 22nd clip. But I think it’s really crucial in it illustrates my main one of my main points here. Greg Raschke: See if I get it to work. Greg Raschke: You know, the first time I talked to Susan Susan another. I said, you still any way I could come to the library to work with your video walls, I said that about two years ago. Greg Raschke: Last year I said something different. I said, it’s only when you come back to the library to work with your staff do remember that. It’s the stuff that I’m after. Greg Raschke: So I think that’s the the crucial point that I want to share with you. Greg Raschke: That was David silver. He’s a he was a visiting scholar here from the University of San Francisco. He was talking to my predecessor Susan Nutter who’s the visionary behind a lot of our work and someone that I want to make sure I credit Greg Raschke: But he he came for the walls. Right. And he stayed for the staff. Greg Raschke: I think that’s the best example I can, I can show you of what these spaces do right he came because we had the walls because we had the library.

20:26 - Greg Raschke: But the value, he got was because he worked with expert staff in order to create this immersive research experience where he used the whole building Greg Raschke: In order to to talk about Black Mountain College and the the his research around Black Mountain College. Greg Raschke: What that means is we have to grow the capacity of our expertise and our staff. Right. And I get going. I can’t emphasize that enough. In terms of places and spaces. Greg Raschke: Plus expertise and staff right we’ve built community of practice. I think you see sometimes you see these spaces pop up. Greg Raschke: And there’s like one person or two people who are the experts around that and and that’s great. To get started, but it has to grow from there.

21:04 - Greg Raschke: And not just in the number of staff, but we have to grow the capacity across the staff. We have to have expectations time resources peer learning formal training opportunities. Greg Raschke: We have to allow staff to engage in the opportunities around digital scholarship and Digital Research and be able to participate in those in order to develop the kind of community of practice that that I think we want to have in order to make these spaces successful Greg Raschke: We’ve also done a lot with with pure students we hire. We have a lot of talented students. They do a lot of peer training. Greg Raschke: We’ve put more and more money into to peer learning and peer training. Again, that’s a little bit on pause right now, more, more than a little bit it’s big time on pause Greg Raschke: But that’s been really successful hiring like statistical grad students to help teach researchers and other graduate students and undergraduate students about the potential around spaces and around these emerging technologies.

21:55 - Greg Raschke: Some of the lessons that we’ve learned as I kind of wrap up is acknowledge the transition from what you had whatever space, you had Greg Raschke: To wherever you’re going, sort of be very open and transparent about that transition Greg Raschke: reduce friction and barriers to use wherever you can. We over engineered some of our spaces. When we built our new library. Greg Raschke: We have since reduce some of those barriers when we renovated our old library here recently we’ve built in less friction and less engineering and complexity into the spaces which is important. Greg Raschke: But we’ve also stayed bold and aspirational. So we don’t waste the opportunity. And again, the opening is just the midpoint and I’ve mentioned, I want to say I’ve mentioned several Greg Raschke: Spaces in this talk. If you don’t have to have several. You just have to have one. It could be a video wall. It could be a digital scholarship space that has multiple technologies, it could be Greg Raschke: It could be almost any experimental space that has an emerging technology component, including, it could be VR virtual reality augmented reality, whatever it is.

22:54 - Greg Raschke: If you can build more than one that’s great if you can only build one that’s all it takes. If you can build in the things like the programming the workshops, the events, the expertise around it. Greg Raschke: You can you can move yourself forward. And if you build one and you do those things and you build momentum. Again, what you’ll find is that Greg Raschke: Is that lots more opportunities kind of come available and then you too can become or you probably already are. But even more.

You can become an expanded of the possible for faculty 23:24 - Greg Raschke: So that’s all I had. JOHN I’ll stop my sharing here. I think that works. We’re going to keep it up. Joan Lippincott: You can you can keep it up pretty Joan Lippincott: Well, if you’d like. Joan Lippincott: Greg. That was fantastic. As always, and I loved your final point. Joan Lippincott: Because as you know I’m a tremendous fan of the Hunt Library, but whenever I talk to people about hard. I always say, and visit Hill as well because not most Joan Lippincott: Academic institutions aren’t going to have the funding to build a new facility like hunt, but lots of them have facilities like Hill and look what you’ve done. Joan Lippincott: In your renovations and expanding opportunities and doing all kinds of things there, and it doesn’t take an entire building Joan Lippincott: It can be a room or several rooms or some screens or other things to start to build a program. I appreciate your saying that.

So we do have a few questions to start off in the chat. Joan Lippincott: One is very straightforward of things. Someone was in a way salivating over all the workshops that you’re offering virtually now and are they now open to everyone, even those not affiliated with NC State and may those outside the seats this state, sign up and attend Greg Raschke: Know, unfortunately they’re only NC State Community right now. Greg Raschke: But you Joan Lippincott: Have a waiting list for those Greg Raschke: Yeah. But the interesting thing is that we we have kept those still but the cap is bigger than it was when we were in person.

24:53 - Greg Raschke: So that’s something that we’re gonna we’re going to pivot when even when we can offer them in person is we’ve been able to accommodate more people Greg Raschke: With the online and we’ve been able to do more asynchronously. So even though they’re not open to other people. Greg Raschke: It is an example of how learning through the pandemic. We’re going to offer them differently moving forward. Still, still in conjunction with the space, but some more online and more asynchronous activities. Joan Lippincott: Thank you. The next question is, can you elaborate a bit about the library, serving as a campus data science hub.

That’s from Diane Goldenberg part of CNI 25:28 - Greg Raschke: Yeah, we, um, there’s an interdisciplinary School of data science that’s being created at NC State and the library is going to be the physical hub of that there’s going to be statistical consulting services in biomedicine geographic information. Greg Raschke: Core statistics and computer science that are going to be housed out of the data spaces at each of the main libraries high performance computing Greg Raschke: Activities and and hardware that’s not ubiquitously available on campus are going to be at each of the main libraries. Greg Raschke: But really I think the key there, is there going to be graduate students and librarians in in experts in data science. We’re going to be available to faculty to help assist them with research questions research problems that they’re trying to launch Greg Raschke: So it’s going to be this sort of crossroads for the community there, which I think is really important. If I had to pick one, actually. Greg Raschke: And I would launch a data space or some kind of data science base with, uh, with some kind of large video visual component, like what Brian’s going to talk about, like, if I had to pick one out of these that’s that’s what I would pit, because the opportunities around that.

26:36 - Greg Raschke: The, the library, being a hub for Data Science on campuses. Those are Greg Raschke: Pretty amazing to think about for us. Yeah. Joan Lippincott: And I think in part it’s because data science can incorporate data in the humanities and social sciences in the sciences. So it really can be cross disciplinary interdisciplinary multi disciplinary Greg Raschke: Look, that’s right. Joan Lippincott: Questions keep coming. So this is an interesting question. Can you talk about some of the areas of friction that you reduced with the new design. Greg Raschke: Um, yeah, yeah.

Um, the, the software that people had to interact with in order to get their materials up onto the screens with simplifies we built a web based interface for that to make it easier to use. Greg Raschke: The, the server infrastructure. Greg Raschke: We use a overly complex piece of hardware that I can’t remember what it was and replaced it with a much simpler piece of hardware. Greg Raschke: Too many projectors too many video walls, we actually cut the number of video walls down by one because they were like, all different sizes and shapes. Greg Raschke: So, so those are some of the elements.

But basically, what we did is we made it easier for someone who had digital content to get it onto the walls and less intermediary 27:59 - Greg Raschke: Expertise in between it because a that would frustrate people and be there’s only so much expertise that a library can provide for people Greg Raschke: So it was really the software and systems in between someone’s content and getting it on the wall that we just really simplified and made it much more web based interface in order for people to do that. Thank you. Joan Lippincott: The next question is, what does the Graduate Student Employment model look like what are their job expectations. How are they compensated for example. Joan Lippincott: Wage tuition waiver, etc. Greg Raschke: Yeah, there are these are primarily hourly based but they make 20 to $25 an hour, which is a pretty good wage, it’s typically in addition to or outside like Greg Raschke: Around their assistantship if they have one, but we do have now for assistantships to digital humanists and to computer science statistician Greg Raschke: assistantships, that are like full on total tuition waiver, you know, salary based Greg Raschke: And and so there’s a mix of sort of permanent quote unquote permanent halftime graduate students PhD and masters students in the spaces and then our release students, which are hired for Greg Raschke: To try to have a variety of skills. So some of its our they some of its built into the assistantship program through the graduate school.

29:17 - Greg Raschke: Their expectations are to serve as expert consultants be available triage, things like that. And they’re supervised by data science librarians. Joan Lippincott: The next question, which is, could you please share more about the process of developing expertise and capacity across your staff and any recommendations or lessons learned. Greg Raschke: Yeah um we we we created our own data and visualization boot camp, which I didn’t create other folks on our staff created it. Greg Raschke: Which we’ve since since folded into the library carpentry opportunities and allowed our staff to go through library carpentry. And then there are Greg Raschke: Weekly peer workshop share with appear where fact where librarians will will share tools, techniques software things that they’re using in their own digital scholarship activity.

30:13 - Greg Raschke: The advice I would have on creating those are find early adopters, who are willing to lead the way. Give them some time to lead the way. Maybe give them a sprinkling of money if you can to Greg Raschke: Buy coffee or bagels, or little bit of software or something like that and just try to create a community of practice reward those librarians for it. Greg Raschke: You know, I think sometimes as leaders we we we get impatient with the the pace of change, but we don’t give people the time and the reward and incentive infrastructure to Greg Raschke: To make those changes. So giving people time rewards and some training opportunities, both internal and external was kind of how we built that community of practice. Joan Lippincott: Well, this has been a topic that has come up in numerous of the webinars. There is a one webinar.

And there’s a recording about staffing where some of that is directly addressed, but I really appreciate your 31:08 - Joan Lippincott: Insight Greg, because I think that you’ve done such a tremendous job at your libraries. Okay, one more question and then we’ll move on to Brian Joan Lippincott: A question is as spaces and services continue to develop who does NC State libraries look to for inspiration outside of libraries. That’s a good question. Greg Raschke: Oh, that is a great question. Who do we look to for inspiration outside of libraries. I mean, I think there’s the obvious like we look at the the kind of Googles of the world.

We look at 31:40 - Greg Raschke: Stat SAS, which is just, it’s typical consulting software system. Greg Raschke: Is right down the road here and was founded out of NC State. So we’re fortunate that we’ve got them right down the road we look a lot of what they’re doing. But we look a lot at what other libraries are doing to because there’s a lot that like Greg Raschke: You know, everything from like I I’m always looking at what Brian’s doing. And I’m not just saying that because he’s next on the call.

32:04 - Greg Raschke: Like it doesn’t have to be, you know, Georgia states at different kinds of places in NC State its research enterprise is different, but there’s all kinds of cool stuff. I was looking at produce website. The other day Greg Raschke: We look at a lot of different libraries and we what we do is we try to mind for different things that are going on. We look at Australian and European libraries are doing lots of interesting things into and I know john you’re always a Greg Raschke: Proponent of looking outside of the continental kind of US perspective which we try to do well. We have to do it now totally remotely, but we we primarily look at large corporate activities that are going on in the VR space in the data science space, those kinds of things. Joan Lippincott: Greg. Thank you so much, and we really appreciate your perspectives your expertise and your willingness to tackle all those great questions.

So if you’ll end your screen share, we’ll go on to Brian and asked him to share his slides and welcome Brian Sinclair 33:02 - Bryan Sinclair: Give me one second. Hello, Joe and give me one second here. And I will Bryan Sinclair: Okay. Well, thank you. Am I, am I up and running everything looked good. Joan Lippincott: All right. Yes, you are. Bryan Sinclair: Okay, great. Bryan Sinclair: Thank you so much. Joe and Diane Beth and Greg everybody in Greg. I appreciate your words. I can’t tell you how much Bryan Sinclair: And what an inspiration NC State Libraries has been to to me and to my colleagues, and I’m sure many people on the call. Bryan Sinclair: So I will. I’ll jump right into this by saying a quantum I give a quote that I heard from an architect who was visiting us not too long ago, I believe he was from Cooper Roberts and architects in New York City. We’ve had many or multiple Bryan Sinclair: Master Plan master planning activities happening both in the library and on campus, but he said that, and I don’t think this is Bryan Sinclair: His quote, but he said if you’ve been to one university. You’ve been to one university. And I think that’s very true. Bryan Sinclair: I think some of the things we’re going to talk about today.

You may find something at your own home institution that you can use, but it’s very, it’s very true. There are three research universities. Bryan Sinclair: Close by here and we have some different in our missions and the students we serve. But, uh, I think there’s a lot here. We can we have in common. So Bryan Sinclair: Let me jump right into this and talk about flexibility in design and being responsive to your campus and I’m going to use curve which is a space in our library. It’s about 3300 square feet. Bryan Sinclair: Approximately 60 to 70 users, according to the fire marshal can be in there and time. Bryan Sinclair: It does have a center. Let me give you a little about its mission real quick. Bryan Sinclair: It’s an acronym.

35:06 - Bryan Sinclair: Collaborative university research and visualization environment. Bryan Sinclair: To technology risk rich discovery space. I was using the term discovery space, long before Bryan Sinclair: I guess our electronic vendors decided we have discovery tools I’ve always thought of spaces as being discovery spaces in libraries and and a big, big proponent of having physical space for discovery. Bryan Sinclair: Where research and digital scholarship happens and it is our mission to enhance and I’m sorry the windows, in a way, research and visualizations. Bryan Sinclair: Providing technology and spaces that promote interdisciplinary engagement collaborative investigation innovative inquiry.

So that’s what our mission from the very beginning. Bryan Sinclair: The Sarah piece technology is a 24 foot video wall. It was recently refreshed and last summer new hardware. Nice. All software and our partner. Bryan Sinclair: Is a tech vendor here in Atlanta. So that makes it very convenient to keep the wall running it does run 24 seven and has been running for six years.

36:08 - Bryan Sinclair: It is touch enabled and easy to use and that was probably our most important consideration in having this is that it just operate like a giant touchscreen and and with a Windows PC connected to it and that still remains true today. Bryan Sinclair: Of course curve is more than a video wall, it’s a collaborative spaces. There are there are eight Bryan Sinclair: Collaborative workspaces throughout the the space. And this is a group of students doing some sort of group projects. I remember these days. These were wonderful days look forward to these days again. Bryan Sinclair: Most of them are are movable configurable. There are a few that are less so, such as this one. So that was some background. So we’ve been open six years. I believe hunt libraries been open seven years. Bryan Sinclair: Six years. So what is working and I hope some of the things I say are going to are going to actually I’m going to borrow a lot from what Greg was saying, in some ways, and then talk about some of the unique things that are to my university. So what’s working Bryan Sinclair: This is Bill Gates visiting our campus to learn about some of our research and predictive analytics and student success. Bryan Sinclair: And of course, when he was here, they brought him to curve because it’s a showcase space, I believe, Greg use that term. It is a place it’s attractive.

There’s our goal dome of our state capitol there in the background. Bryan Sinclair: It’s were visiting scholars, the IPS etc can common and showcase their research the space itself as a showpiece Bryan Sinclair: It’s a space where Bryan Sinclair: Grad students can showcase their research that’s happening. Sorry. That’s the library announcement happening about social distancing right now. So if you could just give me a second for the analysis, but Bryan Sinclair: We have to put announcements on our PA system regularly to remind students not to work in groups, you know, keep talking over it so Bryan Sinclair: Students can showcase their work. This grad students in public health. He showing one of his GIS projects. Bryan Sinclair: This is a CT scan technologies from a local hospital. We have a hospital right next or our campus.

38:17 - Bryan Sinclair: He’s showing how to use a CT scans in his work. It’s a guest lecture for some human anatomy pre med students. This is an archaeologist Bryan Sinclair: Giving a virtual tour of some Mayan ruins down a Chiapas Mexico. This is a group of digital humanists and heritage preservationist talking about the last architecture of Atlanta and they are the people here represent various disciplines. There’s even a I believe a geographer there. Bryan Sinclair: This is a team of geologists from multiple universities who came for a meetup annual meeting to into force and the latest technology in their field.

38:53 - Bryan Sinclair: And this is a faculty pop up club which we have in curve. This is a faculty member from our school of public health talking about Bryan Sinclair: Vaccines very relevant today so showcase space continues to be one of our main roles that we play on our campus. What else is working. Bryan Sinclair: A being a data science home. This is very similar what Greg was talking about our research data services continue to continue to expand. Bryan Sinclair: Our portfolio and number of workshops may not be 1,000%, I believe, is what Greg said, but it’s close to it.

We provide workshops, such as this in vivo workshop. This is our team leader for research data services and that’s the URL if you’d like to explore more Bryan Sinclair: This is our league a drink of water, our Bryan Sinclair: One of our many workshops on data services that we provide. Bryan Sinclair: This is a meetup of our users. Bryan Sinclair: This is an our support group. They’re using our studio and this gives you an idea of some of the workshops we provide in the library from some of our digital signs that in typical week Bryan Sinclair: Python are tablo as Greg mentioned those very popular growing because employers say they’re interested in students having skills and those with that software.

40:13 - Bryan Sinclair: And this is a full list of the software tools and data now data analysis methods training we provide, I believe, on our website right now, you’ll see workshops happening in the evening and the day and they continue to grow, both in numbers and in a variety Bryan Sinclair: web scraping web. Web data social media API’s scraping media from Twitter. It’s popular data cleaning Bryan Sinclair: And I mentioned our Python seem to be growing in popularity Bryan Sinclair: So strengths or are our strengths. The it’s a curve remains a showcase space. It’s for its where interdisciplinary connections and meetups happen. Bryan Sinclair: It’s where specialized software training happens and then the data hub where our research data happens.

The campus is beginning to see the library as a place where students can get help with statistics with using the software for data analysis and visualization 41:14 - Bryan Sinclair: Less so and this is gonna be very surprising and I’ll try to talk more about this again. If you’ve been to one university. You’ve been to one university. Bryan Sinclair: What is on the decline. Making 3D make 3D modeling and printing VR AR gaming and this is the most surprising when digitization and digital projects creation. Bryan Sinclair: This and those those little footnote there. This has moved to the back of the house. So if you think of the library as a restaurant. Bryan Sinclair: Curve is kind of the front of the house where the food is served in the presentation happens but and I think right also the sausage being made. That’s the back of the house curve is a very visible visual space and Bryan Sinclair: The work that students are doing is happening in other spaces.

41:57 - Bryan Sinclair: Although when the work is to be presented curve is the is the first choice, let’s let’s schedule a presentation and curve and show off what we’ve done. Bryan Sinclair: I will talk more about this, but I want to make sure I made I made that point early on. So some reasons why the library is not a maker space and why we’re not a gaming space and why some of these services have moved elsewhere. Bryan Sinclair: My colleagues and central it have created this wonderful X labs on our campus collaboration spaces they have state of the art 3D printers laser cutters spaces designed specifically for VR and AR development and spaces that are designed to move about in a safe way. Bryan Sinclair: In curve that never really worked very well.

You can bump into furniture or a glass wall or something. Bryan Sinclair: Unpleasant like that. So these x lab spaces have an inkling there’s one in one of our libraries, actually, but it’s not run by us. They have opened in the last two or three years and our wonderful resource for our students. In fact, we’re a great partner with them. Bryan Sinclair: We have opened a create creative media industries Institute on our campus where video. Video Bryan Sinclair: Video Game Development VR AR etc is is encouraged and there are spaces, not only for students in that program.

But for others, one of our maker spaces is in this space. Bryan Sinclair: It reminds me a great deal, or at least I think it borrowed some design elements from the hot library. You’ll notice the the video wall there on the left. Bryan Sinclair: And it is open late evenings and a very central this visible location on campus. These are wonderful things that the library was first in with curve and these other wonderful spaces have followed and there Bryan Sinclair: It’s just wonderful to have to be part of a campus that he’s interested in creativity and innovation.

43:43 - Bryan Sinclair: This is also in our creative media industries Institute. This looks very familiar to me like they catch up to my notes to Bryan Sinclair: The teaching of visualization lab and hot not quite as nice, but it gets it, that idea. This is a space on our campus that is for the students in the program, but can be used by other students as well. Bryan Sinclair: And last but not least, other departments colleges and schools have opened their own Bryan Sinclair: Learning labs. Again, this is all very good and and we’re very happy to partner with these. This is in our College of Business. Bryan Sinclair: It’s a.

There are some collaborative stations in the back, but our history department has opened a digital humanities type lab. Bryan Sinclair: as as as our political science department has opened a GIS lab for their students. So these are all great developments on campus that we welcome, but they also require us to change and to evolve. Bryan Sinclair: And this is one of the original diagrams of curve when we first opened in 2014 and Bryan Sinclair: There are a few things here that are odd to me there’s a Linux workstation space. There’s actually a room for the Linux workstation. Bryan Sinclair: Which was never really used and was probably abandoned after the first year, but it was something that our researcher said they wanted, and we were in tune with their needs and responsive and there is a 3D modeling workstations may be hard to see on your screen and the very top left.

45:04 - Bryan Sinclair: This is the diagram from last year. This is the diagram changes there is a photograph symmetry studio. There is a VR development workstation and there are 3D scanning stations in the upper left those have since been replaced by our research data services, which I’ll talk about in a minute. Bryan Sinclair: And we’ve prided ourselves for the very beginning that curve could accommodate pop up what I call pop up labs. This is a pop up digitization space. The student is making a 3D model of a book as an artifact.

45:36 - Bryan Sinclair: And of course, we took the room and reconfigured it for the class and for the students needs. This is a student doing a photograph a tree, making a model. Bryan Sinclair: Of a mesh purse for her class on flappers in the 1920s and she was making a model and was going to put it on her own Mecca website and talk about fashion of the 1920s, but a little pop up area there for that type of work and Bryan Sinclair: We even had 3D model. I’ve shown this before, to see an eye presentation human organs in curve where we this is another room where we modified it to Bryan Sinclair: Students could bring in ice chest with human organs and they made 3D models of different body parts. I will explain the baby powder. It’s to take the shine or the machine off of the the Oregon so that it makes it better scan.

46:31 - Bryan Sinclair: And those students would present and showcase their 3D models and a class presentation and invite the community and the campus in Bryan Sinclair: So let me talk about. Let me get into the weeds real quick. The next five minutes on design thinking and how we’re able to pivot very quickly from one type of space to another type of space by retaining those those key. Bryan Sinclair: Services that we still provide Bryan Sinclair: So this is from one of the last Tourettes Bryan Sinclair: design meetings for curve. And one of our guiding principles design principles was the idea of Showcase. And again, Greg use that term. Bryan Sinclair: But the sidelines, so that when you’re in our lobby. You can see what’s happening. You see activity you see students interacting. You see faculty.

You see, Bill Gates or 47:21 - Bryan Sinclair: Or some other famous person, if we can, if we’re lucky to get them. You can see activity. It’s not a place to to sequester yourself. It’s a place where you put it all out there so that i think that factors into this maybe that you some of the changes we’re seeing Bryan Sinclair: Even so, even this I showed this image of the beginning the glass wall will open and for larger groups. Some can really invite people to come in and and be immersed in this visual research and projects that are happening. This is actually a stalking partition system. Bryan Sinclair: That is outside of curve and we open air occasion when there’s just too many people in the space and a shout out to our architects Cooper college Cooper courtesy here in Atlanta. They’ve done a lot of projects for us and also with our colleagues at Emory and Georgia Tech.

48:12 - Bryan Sinclair: I could not find a picture of a large event in curve where we opened the glass wall but I found a picture of one where we should have opened the glass wall. So this is one Bryan Sinclair: That shows clearly the fire marshal would have gotten onto us, but there was some sort of presentation happening and and we’ve got a lot of people in there again. Bryan Sinclair: I long for these days to return. So I’ll pause for a second to mention that our design and planning is all documented at this URL. Bryan Sinclair: I’ll be glad if anyone wants to reach out to me afterwards to talk about any of the the FF and E or the or the or the hardware or the furnishings that we purchased six years ago.

Glad to have all that I haven’t, I haven’t all readily available. Bryan Sinclair: This is a diagram of the electrical one of our meetings around electrical and the fiber optics and the cat six connections. Bryan Sinclair: There is a lot of data in the space, which allows for a lot of flexibility along this this wall here you can see the power in the data. That means a workstation can go there. Bryan Sinclair: Most of the workstations that I mentioned are configurable and can and these small group consultations. These are some of our data librarians, the small group consultations do seem to be one of our most Bryan Sinclair: Popular not most popular activities and this will show you the Malian the horizontal Malian they’re Bryan Sinclair: Getting in the weeds but you might be interested in this, so that you can plug in here or here anywhere down this wall and move your workstation and it’s at a more comfortable height than being on the floor. There’s another angle.

49:50 - Bryan Sinclair: And of course, all the workstations PC towers are on these movable carts. Many of you have seen these it does allow for a lot of flexibility and impromptu and small group consultations and workshops Bryan Sinclair: Let me talk very quickly as I wrap up about the wall itself. The interact wallets appears to be free floating here in the space that was intentional. Bryan Sinclair: This is a image from the back of the wall. It has like a wire mesh that kind of protects all the the wires and everything, but also allows for accessibility.

50:25 - Bryan Sinclair: It’s another image, but one thing that it didn’t do. Is that allowed for space behind the wall to give a little bit more privacy for small groups. Bryan Sinclair: Such as this one, where they can actually do more focus were 10 and 12 students Bryan Sinclair: This is one of the more popular spaces because it’s less visible. It’s behind the wall, you can, but you’re still, you’re still there and you can still a dynamic open space, but you’re a little bit more privacy to work on your project. Bryan Sinclair: And have lived count spaces.

Many of you who worked in libraries are familiar with the suite of 50:58 - Bryan Sinclair: Software provided by our friends at spring share it has been a wonderful things is the very beginning. Every workstation, including the wall itself or bookable by students using live Cal spaces. Bryan Sinclair: And with no mediation from us, except for the wall. We do sometimes, I asked them, what is this for just to kind of govern it a bit, but the wall is is available to any student faculty or staff member to book and to use as they wish. Bryan Sinclair: And I want to make sure I mentioned that having very nice PCs high end PCs with with nice GPUs is is a draw.

51:35 - Bryan Sinclair: For researchers for students working on a number of projects that was the probably the first draw that brought most people in the wall was secondary. It was having these very nice PCs for students to use into the evening hours. Bryan Sinclair: So my last slide. And I hope I’m on time as I wrap up here. There’s a lot of content. I want to, I want to reiterate the built in flexibility for our users and the flexibility in our philosophy. Bryan Sinclair: That we really responsive to campus needs, we felt we find those gaps as Dean juste we hear our libraries would say we find those gaps and we attempt to fill them. Bryan Sinclair: We provide specialized software and hardware.

We are responsive in in software that students native and specialized software that’s not on the campus image or in our labs where we will actually work to get that installing curve quickly. Bryan Sinclair: We remain true to our mission as a research and visualization space. Bryan Sinclair: We continue to hire librarians with specialized skills, but more and more in the data science data services area. Bryan Sinclair: And we, and I think john mentioned this a minute ago data transcends the sciences and the social sciences data can be photographs maps numeric data. They may be seen as the building blocks for digital scholarship Bryan Sinclair: And the data tools we teach help facilitate the creation of these projects.

And so to wrap up our master plan does look we are 53:02 - Bryan Sinclair: Working toward moving our data science. How to curve. And because it’s visual and there are some office spaces adjacent to curve that we plan to repurpose Bryan Sinclair: So, probably by the next time I talk about curve, it will be our research data hub. Our research, science, science data hub for the campus. So I think that’s about it. That was a lot of information, but it was fun to talk Bryan Sinclair: And thank you all for having me again. It was wonderful. Joan Lippincott: Thank you so much, Brian. Yes, it was a lot of information.

I think the interesting thing for me and you and I talked in advance about the changes. Joan Lippincott: Is from what I could see the space itself hasn’t changed that much. It’s the activities in the space. Joan Lippincott: Which says a lot for the design. We talked about flexibility, but in this sense, the flexibility wasn’t moving things around. It was that the initial design enabled you to do all kinds of things in that space. Joan Lippincott: So that that was quite interesting. We do have some questions ready and the first one is regarding the data science services. How do these services interact with or distinct with Joan Lippincott: From other services or programs related to data science on campus. And actually, you had several areas where there was overlap or potential overlap with other areas on campus. Bryan Sinclair: Well, there are data into science and data science intensive majors programs developing but we complement them.

54:39 - Bryan Sinclair: The library true to our mission. We serve all students. So it could be the sociology master student who needs some help with using a statistical software. It could be the business major wanting to use Bryan Sinclair: To mark do some marketing research, we compliment any existing programs on campus. And I would add, we are open in the evenings and we have data librarians who Bryan Sinclair: Who provide workshops and one on one consultations into the evening. So we, I think these programs have value that we fill those gaps. We are there for all students. So I don’t. There’s no competition there.

In fact, I think we’re welcome we’re welcoming that that arena. Joan Lippincott: Thank you. The next question is how do you manage the pop up digitization studio Joan Lippincott: Aren’t there parameters for requesting pop up studio. Is there a particular librarian who oversees it does it change location in the space based on availability or does it generally only pop up in one specific location. Bryan Sinclair: Yeah, so that was past tense. I was giving some examples. I want to make, make sure I was clear of things that we used to do.

55:49 - Bryan Sinclair: You know, a lot of that is driven defines the question by certain faculty members and certain librarians who have are passionate about this type of work. Bryan Sinclair: We had a couple of researcher, sorry. It’s a instructors our campus who were in incorporating photograph symmetry and this type of 3D modeling in their work. They have since moved on to other positions. And so we Bryan Sinclair: The, the governing of that was really there was a librarian who was interested in it and they kind of over they provide the over seeing of that, but we do not provide that and we do not advertise that anymore. Bryan Sinclair: There are much better spaces better equipped spaces on campus for that type of work now.

56:35 - Joan Lippincott: Thank you and please continue to type questions in the chat. I want to ask one of the things I enjoyed seeing a few years ago in a presentation you gave where hackathons that students held in your space. Does that still go on. Do you have other student activities. Bryan Sinclair: Yes they will. They’ll have their there’s a panther hackers, they call her there. They’ve become more organized. They were a grassroots type of group and we were their home base for a while. Bryan Sinclair: They have since moved on to bigger and better spaces. But if they do like a competition.

They always come ask if if they can do it in curve. But yes, we were the home for the hackers for a while. Bryan Sinclair: We have really seen a lot of growth on our campus and these innovative tight collaborative spaces and I like to feel like we are part we were part of that. Bryan Sinclair: Provided that you know the seeds planted the seeds for that are but yes they they’re still a fixture. We know the panther hackers, but they are, they have moved on to other spaces. Joan Lippincott: Thank you.

Any questions for either Greg or Brian please type into the chat. Joan Lippincott: I’m going to ask both of you. A question about the use of the term digital scholarship. I really Joan Lippincott: Kind of argue with myself about the use of that term, especially since in this series, I very much wanted to incorporate the sciences and the new types of services and programs and expertise libraries are providing Joan Lippincott: For gated data intensive work in the sciences, not just the social sciences and humanities. And do you think that the digital scholarship. The term is Joan Lippincott: Kind of beyond value at this point.

58:32 - Joan Lippincott: Is it losing its value or if it had value in your on your own campus. Grab you look ready to say something. Greg Raschke: I think it’s become too synonymous with digital humanities. Yes. Now, if that is not a problem on your campus that it’s not a big deal at all. Greg Raschke: Probably Brian and I given the the both of our institutions we probably like wouldn’t like totally want to lean into that. Greg Raschke: But, but, on the other hand, there’s also the chance to kind of reclaim it as more of an interdisciplinary right crossroads, which is what I think the spirit of this these talks is much, you know, I’ve been enjoying the Greg Raschke: The sort of suite of them.

And so I guess it depends on institutional context. But yeah, we, we tend to use like research infrastructure or digital research and scholarship, just to try to broaden our tent, a little bit because it’s become a little bit more narrow, at least in our profession. Joan Lippincott: Right. Bryan Sinclair: Yeah, the same. I will say that the reason we didn’t lean into digital scholarship as much at the beginning. Is it was harder to explain Bryan Sinclair: We were loved the libraries were reporting up to the VP for Research at the time. So we really focused on the undergraduate research, the researcher and visual data visualization and that type of thing.

59:47 - Bryan Sinclair: But, uh, yeah, it was just harder to explain, of course, our colleagues down the road here at Emory, it’s it’s it’s it’s part of their Bryan Sinclair: It’s baked into their, their campus culture that that center there is known for, and they are known for their digital humanities and digital scholarship work. It was just been a harder sell here. Bryan Sinclair: Thank you. Greg Raschke: Yeah. Good job. Greg Raschke: Oh, Joan Lippincott: Please add to that, and then I’ll go on to another question. Greg Raschke: I was gonna say I I’m seeing questions come in about like D duplicating services and Canvas contexts and stuff. And one thing I was just going to pick up on that, that I think is pretty crucial. Greg Raschke: And both Brian and I i think reflect this is I’m a big fan of sort of trading space for partnerships or relevance or sort of thinking about space in terms of partnerships and Greg Raschke: So to answer some of those questions.

One of the ways we went about kind of D duplicating and thinking about things is to invite partners in right invite the duplication into the building and then 00:45 - Greg Raschke: Kind of work together and use the transformational opportunities around library spaces from stacks to whatever Greg Raschke: To bring campus partners in and to work. We’ve worked really closely with our Office of Information Technology and Office of Research right in order to strategically position and partner. Greg Raschke: Our services around that and I Brian’s talk was peppered with with partnerships and collaborations and those kinds of things. So I think thinking about space in terms of Greg Raschke: What the university needs. Now you know I say that, and I had somebody wanted to put like a server farm and one of our floors of our stacks.

It’s like 01:18 - Greg Raschke: That’s like taking beachfront property and building a storage unit. That’s a terrible idea. So you have to pick good ideas and good partners, but I think that’s a big trend in terms of that answers some of those questions. Joan Lippincott: Thank you Greg. Bryan Sinclair: Absolutely the turf wars. Bryan Sinclair: That that’s that’s that’s that’s the past we we gained so much more through collab out a server farm right in the stacks. No, but Bryan Sinclair: They are our Center for Teaching and Learning is right below curve. It’s a very dynamic space again. I didn’t mention that space, but Bryan Sinclair: If a faculty member wants to create some dynamic video content or or work with a instructional designer there right below us and Bryan Sinclair: There are times where I say you really need to go down there. I mean, that’s their that’s their expertise.

I think we support research at all levels and they support teaching at all levels, and then there’s there’s some overlap and that’s the fun part. When they overlap, actually. Joan Lippincott: Thank you, you know, we’re at the end of the hour, and I’m going to formally in the program. However, Joan Lippincott: If you have the time, please stay on and we will get to their couple of questions remaining in the chat and other Joan Lippincott: Individuals can ask questions in the chat or verbally. Once we end the recording. Joan Lippincott: So I wanted to give a big thank you to both Greg and Brian for just outstanding talks. Joan Lippincott: And such great information for all of us. And thank you to all the participants.

Please note that we’re departing from our Tuesday, Thursday pattern. This week we will not have a webinar this Thursday. Joan Lippincott: Our next and final webinar is on Tuesday, October 13 and will feature a panel format where three individuals with deep experience in digital scholarship will reflect on libraries and digital scholarship and we’ll also look ahead to the future. .